Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby seonroz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:32 pm

rudi ;-) wrote:
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have a nice week start my friend!


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done!

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Morning rudi!

Woah, AWESOME job! So what ram is that?

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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby seonroz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:36 pm

Hey rudi, Can I get a hi-res shot of a close up around the PSRAM? I can't see what you did about 10k pull-up or any decoupling caps.

The images you posted are hard to see, thanks :-)

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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby rudi ;-) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:40 pm

seonroz wrote:Hey rudi, Can I get a hi-res shot of a close up around the PSRAM? I can't see what you did about 10k pull-up or any decoupling caps.

The images you posted are hard to see, thanks :-)

Thanks

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yes will upload next time
the 10k pull up is sitting at the psram in this mod
and connected to Vcc (8) and CS#(1) pin of pSRAM
Vcc(8) pin goes to Vcc 3.3V
CS#(1) pin goes to IO9

i did not use in this decoupling caps - but you can use one between Vcc(8) and GND(4) directly on the pSRAM.


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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby seonroz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:44 pm

rudi ;-) wrote:
seonroz wrote:Hey rudi, Can I get a hi-res shot of a close up around the PSRAM? I can't see what you did about 10k pull-up or any decoupling caps.

The images you posted are hard to see, thanks :-)

Thanks

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yes will upload next time
the 10k pull up is sitting at the psram in this mod
and connected to Vcc (8) and CS#(1) pin of pSRAM
Vcc(8) pin goes to Vcc 3.3V
CS#(1) pin goes to IO9

i did not use in this decoupling caps - but you can use one between Vcc(8) and GND(4) directly on the pSRAM.


best wishes
rudi ;-)
Thanks, I thought I could see a resistor there, just wanted to make sure.
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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby rudi ;-) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:46 pm

Edit:
i did upload the 8MB Pic now because of server discharge
if there is a problem with the view let me know, then i will upload the pic again to esp32.com

(simple click on the pic or load it i a new browser window, then comes the 8MB Pic again)
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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby seonroz » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:55 pm

rudi ;-) wrote:
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Great shot! Thanks rudi!

I might try again today to make a smaller adapter.

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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby rudi ;-) » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:00 pm

seonroz wrote: ..So what ram is that?
Seon, in this i used Lyontek LY68L6400SL (64Mbit / 3.3V )
the IPUS must work too cause it is the same silicon and only repacked. if i find a time window this week, i will repeat the doing with IPUS, not sure i can do this this week but will try.
so i did on sunday that you have it on monday morning :) for a better week start :mrgreen:

btw:
the psram is very stable and sturdy.
so I have the 1.8v psram several times on 3.3v "accidentally" in operation, it had taken no damage. In the long run you should not do that.
You have a nice adapter for the IPUS, try on the back of the Pico board for experimental purposes, a socket and hold the wires short, so short it works.

don't forget to edit the esp-idf spiram_psram.c file

you can create a Kconfig file and put it in the main folder:
menuconfig then select the Pico-D4-Board, and the config choice will setup the right pins
in spiram_psram.c

Kconfig example:

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menuconfig PSRAMMODULES
    bool "PSRAMMODUL"
    default n
    help
        Select this option to enable a PSRAMMODUL.

choice PSRAMMODUL_SELECT
    prompt "Select the ESP_PSRAM_MODUL you want used for PSRAM"
   default CONFIG_PSRAM_PICO_D4_V4
   depends on PSRAMMODULES
   help
      PSRAM_WROVER          Wrover Modul (all)
      PSRAM_PICO_D4_V4      PICO D4 V4 Modul

      You can select here a Modul you want use for PSRAM.

config PSRAM_WROVER
    bool "WROVER Modul (all)"
    help
        Select this: Wrover Modul (all)

config PSRAM_PICO_D4_V4
    bool "PICO D4 V4"
    help
        Select this: PICO D4 V4 Modul

endchoice
example change in spiram_psram.c

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// PICOD4 Support by custom change
// see customer rudi 29.August 2017
// https://www.esp32.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2713&start=30#p13380
// proposal to do:
// change for menuconfig work later to set the right esp32 modul
// or let it do this auto mode by chip package identify
// comes later as patch
#ifdef CONFIG_PSRAM_PICO_D4_V4
#define PICO 1
#endif
#ifdef CONFIG_PSRAM_WROVER
#define WROVER 1
#endif

#ifdef PICO
#define FLASH_CLK_IO       6 //Psram clock is a delayed version of this in 40MHz mode
#define FLASH_CS_IO       16 // 11
#define PSRAM_CLK_IO      10 // 17
#define PSRAM_CS_IO        9 // 16
#define PSRAM_SPIQ_IO     17 // 7
#define PSRAM_SPID_IO      8
#define PSRAM_SPIWP_IO     7 // 10
#define PSRAM_SPIHD_IO    11 // 9
#endif
#ifdef WROVER
#define FLASH_CLK_IO       6 //Psram clock is a delayed version of this in 40MHz mode
#define FLASH_CS_IO       11
#define PSRAM_CLK_IO      17
#define PSRAM_CS_IO       16
#define PSRAM_SPIQ_IO     7
#define PSRAM_SPID_IO     8
#define PSRAM_SPIWP_IO    10
#define PSRAM_SPIHD_IO    9
#endif
and last but not least,
edit the chippack check

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//psram gpio init , different working frequency we have different solutions
esp_err_t IRAM_ATTR psram_enable(psram_cache_mode_t mode, psram_vaddr_mode_t vaddrmode)   //psram init
{
    uint32_t chip_ver = REG_GET_FIELD(EFUSE_BLK0_RDATA3_REG, EFUSE_RD_CHIP_VER_PKG);
    uint32_t pkg_ver = chip_ver & 0x7;
    if (pkg_ver == EFUSE_RD_CHIP_VER_PKG_ESP32D2WDQ5) {
        ESP_EARLY_LOGE(TAG, "ESP32D2WD do not support psram yet");
        return ESP_FAIL;
    } else if (pkg_ver == EFUSE_RD_CHIP_VER_PKG_ESP32PICOD2) {
        ESP_EARLY_LOGE(TAG, "ESP32PICOD2 do not support psram yet");
        return ESP_FAIL;
    } else if (pkg_ver == EFUSE_RD_CHIP_VER_PKG_ESP32PICOD4) {
        // ESP_EARLY_LOGE(TAG, "ESP32PICOD4  do not support psram yet");
      ESP_EARLY_LOGE(TAG, "ESP32PICOD4  Nice to see this here now Yeah ;-)");
        // return ESP_FAIL;
    }
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now 11:55 PM here
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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby seonroz » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:09 am

Ok, I finally got PSRAM working on y PICO-KIT... even using Dupont connecters (I know, a stupid idea) but I only have 1 PICO-KIT and didn't want to solder directly to it.

So I am SUPER relieved about that - and big thanks to rudi for all of your info and posting all of your steps.

BUT... One thing that is troubling though is the clock signal I am getting from GPIO10 on the PICO-KIT.

This is what the CLK looks like... this is with NO RAM attached.. just with the probe on GPIO10.
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And just for reference, this is my probe calibration...
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That looks like a terrible CLK signal.. that can't be right can it?

My scope is a Siglent 1204X-E 200mHz.

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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby rudi ;-) » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:07 pm

hi seon,

nice live vid - did watch from begin to end :)
"please write the color to the pins on paper so you need not think over how to connect each time on reconnect"
you did never follows :mrgreen:

your clk sig is a desaster :? - > look here :)

Image

remember me on RMII clk , and the good final i had a very bad gnd on my rigol and did share the 50Mhz clk to 3 measuring points. to much impedanz on the connect bridges, too.

- look at the Rigol - there was no gnd connected ever :)
- look at the corner right, a desaster on connectings at GND...
( had learn many mistakes from me in this theme)

Image

one problem further i had was 3 different version of rtc_plla blob lib to the theme RMII , but now all is working very fine after a HW mod on a manufacturer board :)

@Frank_Sautter did then make a nice hack on waveshare LANto the clk on the shared pin btw.

so i remember me here too on the fiasco for sharings things on clk and gpio pins and so on too,
but all was solved :) like yours in live stream... yeah .. so

back to the main theme :lol: :lol: ( wanted not review all the last 3 years from this forum postings ) ... :roll:
..
be sure you captured not the start clk initialization, there are 2 clk sigs at same time, one on flash clk ( FCLK ) and the other on pSRAM clk ( IO10 ).

btw "double check" for some reason the rules for high speed on pcb if you think the tracert on pcb rev5 could be been one tick better. Fig 4 is interesting point example.

best wishes
rudi ;-)

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link
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link
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Re: Small ESP32 Modul ( all include in new ESP32-PICO )

Postby seonroz » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:32 pm

Hi Everyone,

I just got back from Shenzhen on Sunday with my rev5 PCBs in hand, so I built one and TADA! PSRAM working like a champ!

I'm so glad I got past this little hurdle, and wanted to thank everyone here for your help and support on this Tiny journey ;)

rudi made an image from my LiveStream yesterday where I was showing it off... thanks rudi ;-)

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I've just sent off a rev6 PCB for manufacturing with 2 final little tweaks, and then TinyPICO is done and I start the journey of "how am I going to manufacture them" ;)
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